打牌与投资

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爱德华·索普(Edward O.Thorp) 解释在股市赚钱和在赌场靠记牌(card counting)赚钱的相似和区别。

我就不全文翻译了。大意是,

相似点:股市长期向上,市场先生每天给你发牌,会给你有微小的优势,你本金100万,亏平均亏10000,赚平均赚10500。你要是天天来玩的话长期积累下来是赚钱的,每天平均赚500,一年赚12万。在赌场也是,懂得记牌的话会有微小的优势(比如51%),虽然每局都很可能输,但是长期积累下来你的净值是向上的。

不同点:股市里市场先生每天发一张牌,所以你的盈亏要很久才能因为大数定律稳定收敛到平均值上,甚至几年时间都还是运气不好。赌场里你可以一周打个4000局,相当于和股市的市场先生连续16年每天见面领牌,你的盈亏很快就会向长期均值收敛,运气因素很小,记牌的优势能充分反映出来。

怪不得都说索普是量化投资之父。量化投资的精髓就是找优势(have an edge)+多次下小注(bet often),靠大概率来稳定收益。

Q: How are casinos similar to the stock market?

A: Imagine you are investing in an index fund. The casino is Mr. Market, who offers you a collection of bets. If you choose an index fund, say VTSAX [the Vanguard Total Stock Market Index fund], on a typical day it randomly fluctuates by 1%. But there is a long-term drift in your favor of about one twentieth of a [percentage point]. So if you had $1 million in your portfolio in such an index, Mr. Market will come to you each day and say, “Let’s flip a coin. If it’s 50/50, then you’ll win $10,000 or lose $10,000. But I’ll pay you $500 if you play that day.” If you play for one day, you’ll be at $9,500 or at $10,500. If you play for a year, the chances are moderately good that you’ll be ahead because those $500 payments add up and overcome the fluctuation. Maybe a third of the years, you’ll be down and unhappy. But if you play for 10 years or 20 years, then those $500 payments just keep adding up.

Warren Buffett has also devoted his life to compounding. So a similar process happens at blackjack tables. If you’re counting cards, you have a little drift in your favor. But in blackjack you play 100 hands an hour, and in a week you may play 4,000 hands. In a casino, you get to the long run fairly quickly.


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索普和巴菲特打牌时,巴菲特提到一个“三个奇怪骰子”的问题。
有三个骰子,骰面的数字分别为 A={2, 2, 2, 2, 5, 6} , B={ 1, 1, 4, 4, 4, 4}, C={3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3}。对手挑一个骰子之后你也挑一个,游戏的规则是数字高的赢。
奇怪在于,A骰子优于B骰子,B骰子优于C骰子,但是A骰子反而劣于C骰子。
A有5/9的概率能赢B,B有2/3的概率能赢C,但是C又有2/3的概率能赢A。

2018-03-25 04:52

写得很好,可惜中国市场95%以上的参与者并不知道大数定律或者并不理解怎么在市场运用大数定律,99%以上的人并不理解这是一个正和博弈的市场也不理解分红的意义
有个小意见,bet often并不是下小注,只能翻译成频繁下注,特别是对于股市而非期货期权而言,分散持股的情况下短期波动正负5%的情况都很少,这时候没必要考虑一次清零的情况,所以应该在有超额收益的时候全仓甚至部分融资,在风险可控的情况下尽可能争取超额收益和风险溢价

2020-01-30 08:42

怪不得都说索普是量化投资之父。量化投资的精髓就是找优势(have an edge)+多次下小注(bet often),靠大概率来稳定收益。

2018-04-19 20:42

答:我能很清晰和理智的思考如何减缓衰老。我从20多岁开始就锻炼身体。47岁时我开始跑马拉松,现在已经跑了22次,最佳纪录是3.17小时。我每周花5小时做快走或慢跑。我请了一个教练一周健身两次。我觉得我应该做更多。我现在的BMI是22,我觉得这个可以了。我在饮食上希望聪明一点。我从来不抽烟,抽烟是最愚蠢的事情之一

2018-04-19 17:22

A股有时候像天天德州的低级场,桌子上其他人没事就all in,拿着一对A也是经常输给运气

爱德华·索普接受Barrons杂志采访时还回答了其他关于年老力衰的问题:

问:为什么现在持有$伯克希尔-哈撒韦B(BRK.B)$ 而不自己去寻找更好的机会?
答:当我35岁的时候,我有很多时间但是没那么多钱,所以在几乎没有风险的情况下每年多赚10个点是很吸引人而且有乐趣的。现在我85岁了,时间的边际价值更高,而钱的边际价值更低。如果我什么都不用做就能靠买BRK获得10%回报的话,我有很强的动机不去找其他投资标的了。
问:你现在85岁了,但是看上去还是像60多岁一样。你的秘诀是什么?

答:我能很清晰和理智的思考如何减缓衰老。我从20多岁开始就锻炼身体。47岁时我开始跑马拉松,现在已经跑了22次,最佳纪录是3.17小时。我每周花5小时做快走或慢跑。我请了一个教练一周健身两次。我觉得我应该做更多。我现在的BMI是22,我觉得这个可以了。我在饮食上希望聪明一点。我从来不抽烟,抽烟是最愚蠢的事情之一。我从来都没见过西蒙斯,最伟大的对冲基金经理,因为他是个老烟枪,我不愿意到他办公室去。我们应该思考自己的健康和健身计划,我们是自己最好的健康管理人。从现在开始管理健康,做一些总比什么都不错好,做多一些比少做一些好。


Q: Why not go out and find better investments, as you did in the past?


A: When I was 35, I had lots of time and less money, so doing 10% or so better than the index, with little risk, was attractive and fun. At 85, the marginal value of time is higher and the marginal value of money is lower. These are strong disincentives when I can make a long-run 10% or so by doing nothing.
Q: You’re 85 and look like you’re in your early 60s. What’s your secret?
A: I think rationally and clearly about how to slow aging. I’ve been exercising since my 20s. I started running marathons when I was 47. I’ve run 22; my personal lifetime best is 3.17 hours. I spend five hours a week in vigorous walking or easy jogging. I work out with a trainer twice a week. I feel I should do more. I have a body-mass index of 22 and am comfortable there. I try to eat semi-intelligently.
I have never smoked. It has got to be one of the stupidest things. I have never met Jim Simons of Renaissance, the greatest quant hedge fund guy ever, because he was a chain smoker and I didn’t want to go into his office. You should think about your overall health and fitness plan. You are your own best health manager. Get started by telling yourself: Some is better than none, and more is better than less.

2018-04-06 13:03

我全书看完了,去年。他赢钱在于期权与股票价格的套利,前提是斯格而斯的定价模型其实是他最先发明的,5、60十年代搞套利,当时全世界没几个人做。后面大家都会了,也不咋赚钱了。特别是大投行。他说了一旦大家都知道的东西,很难套到利了,很难有优势

2018-03-28 18:29

看过评论,我觉得各位不是来赚钱的,而是和索普抬杠的,如果索普的方法存在应用的不确定性,各位的观点有多少是偏见呢?