关于全职投资的几点看法

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关于全职投资在雪球上一直都是个热门话题,也经常看到球友对全职的一些讨论,看法不一。今天我也把自己近一段时间以来对全职投资的思考和大家分享一下,我个人认为想要全职投资需要具备以下几个前提:

1、投资经验。在全职以前应至少有十年以上股市业余投资经历,经历两轮牛熊。

2、长期收益率。最近十年业余投资收益率年化应达到10%以上。

3、投资本金。本金的多少应和家庭年开支相关,不能一概而论。个人认为,全职投资的本金应不低于家庭年消费金额的20倍。比如,你的家庭年消费为10万元,那么本金就不能低于200万元;如果家庭年消费为20万元,那么本金就不能低于400万元。按照10%的收益率计算,盈利的一半用于家庭开支,另一半继续滚入本金抵御通胀和增加复利。

4、全职开始的时点。什么时候开始对全职投资是否成功很重要,如果是2011、2017或者是2021年开始职业投资,那么一开始就要面对即将到来熊市的洗礼,对心态是很大的考验,而且马上会面临本金的折损,而家庭开支却不能停,那么前面提到的假如200万本金头一年扣去消费10万元,本金浮亏10%20万元,一年下来本金就变成了170万元,对职业投资者来说是沉重的信心打击。所以除了用于股市投资的本金之外,还要至少预留5年的家庭支出资金才保险。如果全职投资开始的时点是像2013年、2018年底这样的时间点,那么马上就面临牛市,资金会实现大幅跃升,良好的开端是成功的一半。

5、性格。职业投资者平时是很孤独寂寞的,不是人人都能享受独处的。对于喜欢交际、合群的人来说,工作是实现个人价值的最好方式,这类人哪怕就是有1亿本金也不适合全职投资;而喜欢独立思考,不喜欢陌生人打扰、能享受独处安静环境的这类人适合长期全职,不会有闲的无聊的感觉。

6、年龄。个人觉得,45岁以后再考虑全职投资的可能,在这之前还是趁年富力强努力工作获取主动收入。45岁以后,随着体力精力的下降,职场也卷不动了,这时可以转为职业投资,获取更大的自由和身心健康。

以上是我对全职投资的一些思考,还有什么需要注意的欢迎大家补充。

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forcode05-25 09:55

一边阅读一边就在思考,我阅读思考过程中遇到没听说过的关键词,就会进一步去搜索,所以读一篇文章,会连带着搜索打开十几个标签页,甚至最后要折腾好几天才能回到最初那篇文章。
我遇到一个让我眼前一亮的观点,就会去搜索作者是谁,然后把这个人的文章、书籍或访谈全都给读了。
这种高密度的阅读最后融会贯通,让我理解了很多人意识不到的多学科知识,发现了一些投资机会,拓展了我的能力圈。
比如,我曾经在福州方山水库徒步,看到牛羊吃草,拍下牛吃的小花,然后形色识图,知道叫紫云英,读了其百科词条。
去内蒙旅游,跟当地人聊天,听说他们冬季会购买牧草,主要品种之一是苜蓿草,我读了苜蓿草的百科词条。
有段时间爱吃花生,搜索阅读花生的百科词条。
国家说发展林下经济,我搜索阅读了大量相关网络文章和论文,了解到我国南方大量丘陵林地,无法大规模种植主粮。
研究化肥,又顺带读了一些我国每年大量进口的大豆资料,看户外生存纪录片,看到有人能天天吃饱,却仍然身体不断衰退,因为缺油脂,导致缺维生素,因为很多维生素是脂溶性的,油脂长期摄入不足会导致维生素缺乏症。
大豆榨油提供油脂,豆粕可以做成猪鸡鸭鱼的饲料做养殖,提供蛋白质,所以我国每年需要进口差不多一亿吨大豆来获取油脂和蛋白质,我国主粮基本可以自给自足,但油脂和蛋白质需要进口,如果这1亿吨大豆全部自己种,好像需要6亿亩额外耕地,没有这么多耕地,可以山里种植木本油料树木和蛋白质树木。
进一步搜索,我发现,不仅牛羊爱吃的紫云英和苜蓿草是豆科植物,大豆是豆科植物,就连花生也是豆科植物,而能够提供蛋白质的树木,最好的是槐树,具有根瘤,有固氮能力,也是木本豆科……
这样,我将我因为好奇心驱使下阅读的可能上百万字的杂七杂八的资料融会贯通,发现人类获取的蛋白质,大部分来自豆科的各科草本木本植物,就连牛羊的蛋白质,最终也是间接来自于豆科的紫云英和苜蓿草。
在这个阅读过程中,我投资了化肥股,顺带赚了差不多一百万。
这只是我将广泛的阅读融会贯通的一个小小例子,阅读拓展了我的能力圈,让我比其他人更有资格赚到一些钱,因为我的认知远超越了一般人甚至局限于一个学科的专家……

forcode05-25 09:26

说明你不适合做投资,更不适合全职炒股,真正适合做投资的人,一定是那种求知若渴之人,每天有看不完的资料,因为好奇的东西太多。我的浏览器永远打开50个以上待阅读的标签页,平均每天阅读几万字甚至十几万字……我只觉得时间不够用。

快乐的富爸爸05-24 21:32

本人不上班快三年了 ,时间多得根本用不完。
我一直纳闷,都说全职投资,但是投资花费时间很少啊,何来全职一说呀?
也就是看看持有公司的年报和半年报,偶尔扫一眼股价,看看价格和内在价值的关系,有没有占便宜机会,其他时候几乎没事可做。
只能跑步看书喝茶接送孩子混时间

forcode05-25 11:43

说明那些人的钱,多半不是投资赚来的。吹牛自己投资厉害的,多了去了……真正投资大师,都是大量阅读的……
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"I read and read and read. I probably read 5 to 6 hours per day. I read five daily newspapers, I read a fair number of magazines, I read 1ok's, I read annual reports, and I read a lot of other things too. I've always enjoyed reading. I love reading biographies for example" Warren Buffett
“我阅读,阅读,阅读。我每天大概阅读 5 到 6 个小时。我阅读了 5 份日报,我阅读了相当多的杂志,我阅读了 1ok's,我阅读了年度报告,我还阅读了很多其他的东西. 我一直很喜欢阅读。例如,我喜欢阅读传记”沃伦·巴菲特
"Recently I read an interview with Charlie Munger, Warren Buffett's alter. Munger is a great investor and a really smart, wise old guy; "I have said that in my whole life, I have known no wise person over a broad subject matter area who didn't read all the time - none, zero. Now I know all kinds of shrewd people who by staying within a narrow area can do very well without reading. But investment is a broad area. So if you think you're going to be good at it and not read all the time, you have a different idea than I do … You'd be amazed at how much Warren Buffett reads. You'd be amazed at how much I read." [Charlie Munger at the Berkshire
“最近我读到了对沃伦·巴菲特的另一位查理芒格的采访。芒格是一位伟大的投资者,也是一个非常聪明、睿智的老人;“我说过,在我的一生中,我认识的没有一个在广泛的主题领域有智慧的人谁没有一直阅读-没有,零。现在我知道各种精明的人,只要呆在狭窄的区域里,不用读书就可以做得很好。但投资是一个广阔的领域。因此,如果您认为自己会擅长阅读而不是一直阅读,那么您的想法与我不同……您会惊讶于沃伦·巴菲特(Warren Buffett)的阅读量。你会惊讶于我的阅读量。” [伯克希尔的查理芒格
Hathaway 2003 Annual Meeting]. Reading is definitely my thing, too, and I think you have to read not just business stuff but also history, novels, and even some poetry. Investing is about glimpsing, however dimly, the ebb and flow of human events. It's very much about breasting the tides of emotion, too, which is where the novels and poetry come in. Besides, sometimes you have to refresh your mind and soul by consuming some crafted, eloquent writing." Barton Biggs
海瑟薇2003年年会]。阅读绝对是我的事,我认为你不仅要阅读商业资料,还要阅读历史、小说,甚至诗歌。投资就是瞥见人类事件的潮起潮落,无论多么模糊。这也很大程度上是为了控制情绪的浪潮,这也是小说和诗歌的来源。此外,有时你必须通过阅读一些精心制作的、雄辩的作品来刷新你的思想和灵魂。”巴顿·比格斯
"Don't limit yourself to just reading business and economics. Read philosophy and read the great economic thinkers" Frank Martin
“不要只限于阅读商业和经济学。阅读哲学并阅读伟大的经济思想家”弗兰克·马丁
"Curiosity is the engine of civilization. If I were to elaborate it would be to say read, read, read and don't forget to talk to people, really talk, listening with attention and have conversations, on whatever topic, that are an exchange of thoughts. Keep the reading broad, beyond just the professional. This helps to develop one's sense of perspective in all matters" Peter Cundill
“好奇心是文明的引擎。如果我要详细说明,那就是说阅读,阅读,阅读,不要忘记与人交谈,真正交谈,专心聆听并就任何话题进行对话,这是一个交流思想。保持广泛的阅读,不仅仅是专业的。这有助于培养一个人在所有问题上的洞察力”彼得坎迪尔
“If you can set your life up in a manner which gives you large chunks of time to do reading, but reading not from the context of 'I'm going to do an investment', but reading from the context of getting better at knowing how the world works. You get to wisdom which is different from just being smart. You can build up an advantage over your peers” Mohnish Pabrai
“如果你能以一种让你有大量时间阅读的方式来安排你的生活,但不是从‘我要做投资'的背景下阅读,而是从变得更好地了解的背景下阅读世界如何运作。你会得到与聪明不同的智慧。您可以建立比同龄人更胜一筹的优势” Mohnish Pabrai
"Being a successful investor you need to be hungry, intellectually curious, interested, read all the time. Read a lot of newspapers. You need a certain level of randomness in order to connect things that might give you an insight into where a business is going in five years that somebody else might not see." Ted Weschler
“作为一名成功的投资者,你需要保持饥饿感、求知欲和兴趣,一直阅读。阅读大量报纸。你需要一定程度的随机性,以便将可能让你洞察企业所在的事物联系起来五年后,别人可能看不到。” 泰德·韦施勒
"Successful investors are vociferous readers" Scott Fearon
“成功的投资者都是大声疾呼的阅读者” Scott Fearon
"If you read widely, you can learn from people whose ideas merit publishing. Some of the most important for me were Charley Ellis's great article "The Losers Game", A Short History of Financial Euphoria, by John Kenneth Galbraith and Nassim
“如果你广泛阅读,你可以向那些想法值得发表的人学习。对我来说,最重要的是查理埃利斯的伟大文章“失败者游戏”,金融兴奋的简史,约翰肯尼斯加尔布雷思和纳西姆
Nicholas Taleb's Fooled by Randomness. Each did a great deal to shape my thinking" Howard Marks
尼古拉斯·塔勒布的《随机致富的傻瓜》。每个人都对塑造我的思想做出了很大贡献”霍华德·马克斯
"Develop into a lifelong self-learner through voracious reading; cultivate curiosity and strive to become a little wiser every day" Charlie Munger
“通过如饥似渴的阅读成长为终生自学者;培养好奇心,努力每天变得更聪明一点”查理芒格
"Read a lot, and read about the things that are not possible now, but will be in the future. As long as you keep your mind sharp and busy, you will see good things happen" Irving Kahn
“多读书,看看现在不可能,但将来会发生的事情。只要你保持头脑清醒和忙碌,你就会看到好事发生”欧文·卡恩
"I am also addicted to reading .. my taste is eclectic ranging from novels to history" Barton Biggs
“我也沉迷于阅读......我的品味从小说到历史不拘一格”巴顿比格斯
"I spend the vast majority of my day reading. I try to make about half of that reading random. Things like newspapers and trade periodicals.” Ted Weschler
“我一天中的绝大部分时间都在阅读。我试着让大约一半的阅读时间随机化。报纸和贸易期刊之类的东西。” 泰德·韦施勒
"The early indications of change often come from outside the area that eventually is most affected (eg the Swiss watch industry was nearly mortally surprised by developments in the semiconductor area). Broad-based readings allows one to spot a change in one field that will impact another. Experts, on the other hand, are vulnerable to being surprised by events outside their specialized area" Bennett Goodspeed
“变化的早期迹象通常来自最终受影响最大的领域之外(例如,瑞士钟表业对半导体领域的发展几乎感到震惊)。广泛的读数使人们能够发现一个领域的变化,这将影响另一个。另一方面,专家很容易对他们专业领域之外的事件感到惊讶” Bennett Goodspeed
“I get in around 7 or 8, and I read until about 7 or 8 at night. And I go home, and see my family, and then I'll read for another hour or two in bed at night. And you know, there might only be three to four phone calls the entire week. So there are very, very few interruptions. I have a great assistant who knows everything that I read, and she kinda provides everything, and there's a back and forth between us where I'll mark it up, and give it back to her. And we have a system for filing and so forth. But it's literally just reading about 12 hours a day of everything I just mentioned.” Todd Combs
“我大约 7 点或 8 点进场,我一直读到晚上 7 点或 8 点。然后我回家,看看我的家人,然后晚上我会在床上再读一两个小时。你知道,整个星期可能只有三到四个电话。因此,中断非常非常少。我有一个很棒的助手,他知道我读过的所有东西,而且她提供了所有东西,我们之间有一个来回,我会把它标记出来,然后还给她。我们有一个归档系统等等。但它实际上只是每天阅读我刚刚提到的所有内容的大约 12 小时。” 托德梳子
"I've said it before and I'll underscore it here: I am a voracious consumer of information. I have honed my ability to digest a lot of information, sift out what's potentially relevant, retain it, and then recall it when it's useful. I read at least five newspapers every day, and five business magazines a week. I remember all of it, or at least everything relevant. I also like to read escapist fiction - mystery novels, spy thrillers - and I go through about one book a week. I usually remember nothing about them. Unless all of a sudden something becomes relevant" Sam Zell
“我以前说过,在这里我要强调一下:我是一个贪婪的信息消费者。我已经磨练了消化大量信息、筛选出可能相关的信息、保留它,然后在它出现时回忆它的能力。有用。我每天至少阅读五份报纸,每周阅读五份商业杂志。我记得所有这些,或者至少所有相关的内容。我还喜欢阅读逃避现实的小说——神秘小说、间谍惊悚片——我读过大约一本一周预订一次。我通常对他们一无所知。除非突然之间发生了一些相关的事情” Sam Zell
“I'm very selective. I, sometimes, skim. I, sometimes, read one chapter and I sometimes read the damn thing twice. It's been my experience in life [that] if you just keep thinking and reading, you don't have to work.” Charlie Munger
“我很有选择性。我有时会略读。我有时会读一章,有时我会读两遍该死的东西。我的生活经验是,如果你继续思考和阅读,你就不必工作。” 查理芒格
“I am a voracious reader. My parents couldn't afford to buy books for me. I would walk two miles to the public library to take out books. I love reading. The brain is a muscle and you have to exercise it. Right now 40% of all high school graduates have not read a book in the last year. People don't choose to read a book. I try to read two books a week. It sounds like a lot but I am not reading physics textbooks, I am reading history and biographies and business, things I know about so I can get through them pretty quickly. I try to read because I am exercising my brain, I think if the muscle isn't used the brain can atrophy. It's very important to me. I am obsessed with reading newspapers, I read about four or five or six a day. Reading is everything to me. I think if you are going to be a successful business people you have to keep your brain exercised - reading and reading and reading. You never know what you'll learn that will help your business career” David Rubenstein
“我是一个贪婪的读者。我父母买不起书给我。我会步行两英里到公共图书馆取书。我喜欢阅读。大脑是一块肌肉,你必须锻炼它。现在有40%的高中毕业生在去年没有读过书。人们不会选择读书。我试着每周读两本书。这听起来很多,但我不是在读物理教科书,我在读历史、传记和商业,我知道的东西,所以我可以很快地读完它们。我尝试阅读,因为我正在锻炼我的大脑,我认为如果不使用肌肉,大脑会萎缩。这对我来说非常重要。我痴迷于阅读报纸,我每天阅读大约四五六次。阅读对我来说就是一切。我认为,如果你要成为一个成功的商人,你必须让你的大脑得到锻炼——阅读、阅读和阅读。你永远不知道你会学到什么对你的商业生涯有帮助”大卫·鲁宾斯坦
“I read very widely, I am always reading stuff people are surprised to hear about. I spend a lot of time reading. Charlie says that he has never met a great investor who wasn't a great reader. I'd say that's mostly accurate in my experience" Bill Miller
“我的阅读范围很广,我总是在阅读人们听到的令人惊讶的东西。我花很多时间阅读。查理说,他从来没有遇到过不善于阅读的伟大投资者。我会说这在我的经验中大部分是准确的”比尔米勒

中年电竞选手05-25 11:41

10年年化10%不代表你就会投资,需要对分散性回撤之类的指标有要求。 如果在2004年到2010之间任何一个时间点单吊腾讯,10年的年化轻松超过30%,但是这个策略2021年要挨打,而且如果刻舟求剑去找类似的标的,挨更多的打,没有现金流又下跌时补仓。亏个50-80%把之前挣全部亏回去轻轻松松。
我看雪球上大多想全职投资的人,只是不愿意面对生活的困难罢了的,实际上没有现金流的全职投资,难度要大于几乎所有的工作,如果你的投资收益让你觉得你对这个问题还要犹豫,那么你并不适干这个。

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本人不上班快三年了 ,时间多得根本用不完。
我一直纳闷,都说全职投资,但是投资花费时间很少啊,何来全职一说呀?
也就是看看持有公司的年报和半年报,偶尔扫一眼股价,看看价格和内在价值的关系,有没有占便宜机会,其他时候几乎没事可做。
只能跑步看书喝茶接送孩子混时间

10年年化10%不代表你就会投资,需要对分散性回撤之类的指标有要求。 如果在2004年到2010之间任何一个时间点单吊腾讯,10年的年化轻松超过30%,但是这个策略2021年要挨打,而且如果刻舟求剑去找类似的标的,挨更多的打,没有现金流又下跌时补仓。亏个50-80%把之前挣全部亏回去轻轻松松。
我看雪球上大多想全职投资的人,只是不愿意面对生活的困难罢了的,实际上没有现金流的全职投资,难度要大于几乎所有的工作,如果你的投资收益让你觉得你对这个问题还要犹豫,那么你并不适干这个。

网约车会开吗?电瓶车能骑吗?如果下岗了,开网约车,送外卖就行了,不要去炒股。

我只补充一点:不要在牛市里离职。

我这隔两天都加班做手术的也不耽误看看股票,而且反而频繁看盘更容易犯错和操作,所以一般不频繁看,让自己忙碌起来,看看财报,汇率,国债利率,统计局数据就差不多了…没必要天天看啊

05-25 14:13

全职投资是100%伪命题。非灯塔国普通人要全职做证券只有一条路,全职投机。最重要的是风控交易能力和跨品种多品类的可多可空渠道。你必须不依靠任何指数和价格上涨也能每年高确定性稳定盈利,但凡你只能做多上证指数、标普500、创业板指、或黄金指数,哪怕A10也不敢保证全职投资下场会好看。非灯塔品种,不做多 大概率比必须做多活得安全舒适。

有点感触,我也回顾一下,非职业投资,17年底开始。
17-21小资金投入跟长赢做指数,年化约12%。这期间的学习和经历给了我较强的信心,也给了我老婆一点信心。但指数投资问题比较大,于是21年初开始逐步退出指数etf。
21年元旦,说服老婆卖房入市。由于回款用了很久,错过了年初的双低行情,转换思路21年7月开始做煤炭吃息。经历过9月的癫狂,也坐了10月11月的过山车,从盈利20%大幅回撤到-5%,房价又比卖点涨了20%。那段时间天天挨骂
21年5月至今,入市本金合计约190w,三年总收益125.17%。而房价比当时的卖点,已经-25%,选择总是比努力重要。价值,低估,现金流和分红是穿越牛熊的永恒思想,指引我卖房入市,买煤炭,找到海控。我相信以后移动也会给我带来不错的收益,就是建仓太费劲了。感谢鹿公等一众无私分享的高手,也感谢有雪球这个交流平台。
说回做职业投资,我自己几乎从没考虑过这个问题。首先工作是稳定的现金流来源,其次工作还能带来交流,成就感,获得感。只做股票可能还是太孤独了,兴趣爱好广泛的人可能行。
如果要给一个定义的话,在不支取本金的情况下,最低预计估值下的年股息收入应能完全覆盖自己的家庭支出,我有可能会考虑进行职业投资,当然最好是股息达到两倍或者三倍。以家庭年支出20万计,需60万股息收入。以5%股息率,约1200万市值,差距不小,仍需努力。

真正的投资不必“全职”,“全职”的一定是投机

05-25 08:39

全职投资,说白了就是:钱挣的基本够花了,不想上班了

年收益率10个点的人,除非你本身就是起步千万以上,那可以,否则这种收益率还职业投资要头破血流的。对于起步千万,年收益率10个点的不上班的人,这种不叫职业投资者,这叫养老型炒股爱好者。