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NQ – where are your users?

For a $1B market cap consumer Internet company that derived >50%of its revenue (2012) from China with an estimated ~60% market share, NQ’susers in China are highly elusive.  Basedon two rounds of consumer surveys and retail store checks, we weren’t able tofind a single user of NQ security in China.

Our two surveys on 188 consumers were done in the past two years China, covering Beijing, Shanghai, Tianjin (1st tiercities), four rich provincial capitals/equivalents (2nd tier cities), two poor provincial capitals (3rd tier cities), and two 4th tier cities.  We also visited5 carrier stores, 6 consumer gadget retailers, and 9 prepaid card vendors in two rich provincial capitals, one tier 1 city, and two tier 4 cities.

First, of the 11 retail outlets (carrier stores, gadgetstores), we found one case of NQ pre-installation.  Of the 9 card vendors, none of them soldmobile security top-up cards, nor did the vendors show awareness of such aproduct as a sale item.  The answers wereceived upon inquiry for mobile security product were either “there’s no needfor mobile security” (50% of the cases), or “you should download 360 (Qihoo)and Kingsoft, free of charge” (50%).

Of the total 188 consumers, when asked which securitysoftware they use on their mobile phone, 103 mentioned 360 Qihoo, 6 mentioned Kingsoft,10 mentioned QQ, 14 mentioned other security product, zero mentioned NQ, and 60mentioned “unknown/none”.  The numbersadd up to more than 188, due to some users carrying two products on theirphones.

In short, of the 188 consumers we surveyed across China frommid-2012 to mid-2013, there were zero mentions of NQ security, but plenty ofother security product users, contradicting the ~60% market share that NQ cited.  Furthermore, of the users who installed anymobile security product, none of them had intention to pay for it.  The reason is quite simple –Qihoo 360, thedominant mobile security provider in China, offers the service for free.

NQ’s China consumer revenue in 2012 was reported as $43M(total revenue less overseas revenue less NationSky revenue), or RMB 266M.  At RMB 2 per month per user, this boils downto 11M monthly  paying users (RMB 266M /12 months / RMB 2 = 11M).  To put thisinto perspective, SINA Weibo, the ubiquitous Twitter-like service in China, hadan monthly active user (MAU) of 81M, and it includes MAUs from the desktop PCs,as well as mobile phones.  Therefore, anMAU of 11M on mobile phone alone should definitely be observable, which is notwhat we found in our survey.

In light of the fact that mobile billing agent Yidatongaccounted for 22% of 2012 revenue, or $20.3M, or 47% of the above mentioned $43MNQ China security revenue, we dug into this company.  Yidatong’s founder was described by NQ’s managementas a consultant, and Yidatong was characterized as an independent third party.  However, Yidatong website (which took us awhile to find) shows that it has the exact same address as NQ, and the Websitelooks like it has not been maintained for years, hardly the sign of a companytrying to court a variety of customers. Here is the contact page of Yidatong’s dust-gathering Website, circa2009. For the rest of the pages from Yidatong’s simple Web site, refer to theappendix, the last page of which shows NQ’s address, exactly the same as Yidatong.




Speaking of consultants, besides Yidatong’s founder, NQ hasa lot of non-employee consultants, whom it incentivizes with stockoptions.  NQ had 378 and 387 employees atyear end 2010 and 2011, but there were at least 69 and 70 non-employeeconsultants during 2010 and 2011, respectively, amounting to 18% of employees.  As shown by this disclosure:



A one-product software tool company using outside consultantsequaling 18% of its own workforce?   That’s a little unusual, to say the least.  The number of options given to theconsultants is not trivial either:

NQ had cash and cash equivalent balance of $127M at year end2012.  It clearly could afford to pay those70 non-employee consultants in cash in 2012. Instead, it paid them equity on Jul 10, 2012, when share price wasdeemed by management as “unacceptably” low at ~$8.  The only explanation is that NQ wanted theseconsultants to have a vested interest in NQ’s shares.

SinoMR, a market research firm, gave NQ a mobile securitymarket share north of 60% in China in one of its reports, which stands in starkcontrast to our survey and the feedback from many observers of Chinese mobilesecurity market.  Is the author of theSinoMR report one of those consultants receiving NQ stock options?  We don’t know for sure, but it will notsurprise us if he/she is.

In all, NQ paid out nearly 27% of its revenue in stock basedcompensation in 2011, 2012, and first half of 2013.  We don’t know of any other public companythat can match this level of stock based compensation.  Do you?

Wedge Partners, not to be confused with the old WedgePartners that was one of the earliest to doubt Longtop (LFT)’s financialintegrity (that part of the Wedge Partners went on to form J Capital, who isrecommending its client to short NQ), is one of the most bullish broker onNQ.  But bear in mind it may own NQshares in its asset management arm (and definitely owned NQ in the past).  See below (taken from a Wedge report datedSep 2013):



MattMathison, the VP of Capital Markets for NQ, was most recently a portfoliomanager at Wedge Partner asset management. Bloomberg shows him as continue to be affiliated with Wedge PartnerAsset Management, from his e-mail address below.  This potential conflict of interest betweenWedge Partners and NQ should be front and center for any investor readingWedge’s reports.



Whatabout NQ’s foreign mobile security markets? NQ reported $18M and $36M in revenue from consumer security fromoverseas markets in 2011 and 2012.  Weknow it’s not Western Europe or North America, and NQ affirmed that its overseas markets areindeed developing markets such as BRIC.  Sincethe 2013 America Movil partnership marked NQ’s entry into Latin America, we know thislist of countries can only be North Asia, Southeast Asia, South Asia, MiddleEast, Eastern Europe, and Africa.  We canfurther rule out Japan, Korea, and India as meaningful contributors to thoserevenue lines, since in June 2012, NQ just started to enter them, based onthese statements


While we don’t have on the ground checks to go by, intuitiontells us that due to the small population of Eastern Europe, NQ’s overseasusers must be primarily residing in third-world countries.  It’s hard to imagine this group as morewilling to pay for mobile security than the Chinese consumers.

Q-tel, the national carrier in Qatar, told us that NQ wasonce in Qatar as a Symbian security provider, but had been largely phased out, as of mid-2012.

Having probed into the money-making ability of NQ consumersecurity, it’s not any surprise that NQ added scant cash to its balance sheetin 2011 and 2012.  If we exclude cashraised from IPO and pre-IPO financing totaling $81M, the most recent net cashand cash equivalent balance was $47M as of Q2 2013, only $18M higher than the $29Mas of Q4 2010.  Accounts receivables ateinto cash flow, and acquisitions and investments also added to the burn.

Using end of quarter accounts receivable balance andquarterly revenue, we calculated NQ’s DSO to be 144, 149, 146, 153, 145, 149,143, 167, 173, 157 the past ten quarters. So it’s in the 150-170 range, and not easing up as of late.  NQ said the long DSO was caused by overseasmarkets, where this metric can run above 200. Let’s exercise some common sense as an investor, if a revenue dollartakes over 200 days to collect, it undoubtedly shows the customer (telcos orprepaid card distributors in those foreign countries) has tremendous poweragainst the supplier (NQ), which reflects on the highly discretionary nature ofthe product NQ offers.  At some point,investor has to draw the line and decide whether this revenue is collectible,or even grimmer, whether this revenue was made up in the first place.  The only difference between an extremely hardto collect revenue dollar and a made-up revenue dollar is investor faith.

Curiously, there is no A/R aging disclosure in NQ’s filings.

Oh, and CFO just got replaced.  If he was let go, why?  After all, the stock tripled in the last two monthsof his oversight?  If he leftvoluntarily, why?

2013 saw NQ entering the US and Latin American markets.  Can NQ land major carrier wins in theUS?  Lookout Mobile, an Accel portfoliocompany, already locked in T-Mobile (together with MetroPCS), Deutsche Telekom,Sprint, and AT&T at the carrier level. Verizon currently white labels Juniper. While NQ has won some independent Verizon dealers, it won’t be easycompeting with Lookout on its home turf for a major carrier level win.  The only carrier deals NQ has got are 1%market share holder Leap (being acquired by AT&T, so a potential switchoverto LookOut) and 1% market share holder US Wireless.  With the US carriers’ boycott of Huaweiequipment on national security grounds, we wonder how promising NQ will be as asecurity provider for millions of US consumers.

Can NQ’s partnership with America Movil lead to significantrevenue?  The deal was announced inMarch, and the first market, Mexico, was said to have launched in June.  Latin America is a predominantly prepaidmarket, which means carriers mostly do not subsidize phones, and therefore don’tcontrol apps pre-installation on phones.  And like China and other developingcountries, the per capita income is low. The lack of new announcements from Latin America over the past sevenmonths is uncharacteristic of NQ, which has been issuing press releases every three days or so.  We shall see how this pans out.  But what if a substantial portion of revenuein 2012 were indeed bad debt?  Will anypotential success in Latin America even matter?

Up to now, we focused on the consumer securitycompany NQ, the part of NQ that did all the heavy lifting in “revenue andprofit” generation.  2013 has been a yearthat NQ declares itself to be a “platform” company able to make money from mobilegaming, advertising, and search.  Can NQsuccessfully “pivot” from a questionable past (at best) to mobile rock stardom?  In the next chapter, we shall examine everyone of those new initiatives.

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The rest of Yidatong’s Website:















全部讨论

粗略的了文章,思路其实挺简单的,小瑕疵就是在全国网络这么大的一个市场上,只从一二三四线城市一共选取了188个样本进行比对,说服力还是有些弱。不过也能说明部分问题,前段时间我对NQ的移动产品在各个平台上的下载量进行了一个统计并且对比了类似产品在相同平台上的下载量,NQ在各个品类中都是最低的。
同时,对新浪微博上官微的粉丝数、发表的博文数以及博文被转发和评论的数量都可以看出,NQ在各个层面上远逊于同类产品或公司。
其实我是不相信什么“实际用户比想象的要多”之类的说法的,看任何一个产品,实实在在的客户不是虚拟出来的,人们想象中的客户为什么会少?是因为实际上就是少,罕见,所以才会有这种感觉。而且针对NQ的做过的一系列测评,目前没有任何一组数据可以证实其庞大的用户数量(这里的用户数量指的是激活使用或者已经付费的用户数量),说软件大部分是预装,那么用户如果不激活,预装了几百万部手机,不过得到几百万个僵尸用户,对企业盈利和收入有什么贡献?
既然全国各地的人周围身边都没有人用这样的产品,为什么还要张着嘴巴叫喊说其他专业机构测评出来的用户量和下载量很多?

2013-10-12 01:08

有深度。

2013-10-10 16:46

1)文章里关于$网秦(NQ)$ 用户数的质疑方式简直可笑,不过这也很符合kankan123一直以来的风格,搬出一些看似客观的东西,实则很难站的住脚,加上kankan123的一贯立场,其所谓的实地调查的可信程度存疑。

其实,从包括中国软件实验室、赛诺等多个机构所发布的相关数据当中都能看出NQ的用户数比想象的要多得多。事实上,网秦为中华酷联HTC等大企业提供安全服务,因而用户可能无法直接看到NQ品牌的解决方案。此外,NQ还向第三方开发者开放了安全软件开发工具包,同时另一端接入NQ移动云安全扫描服务,但NQ并没有把这些活跃用户计算在内,而他们也同样使用NQ的服务。

2)关于NQ和易达通。2007年前后,当时规模并不大的NQ和包括易达通在内的多家小公司同在一个办公楼,相同的地址也就不足为怪。

不过,NQ与易达通仅是合作关系,目前,易达通作为一家SP公司是NQ业务的支付渠道,目前,NQ一成以上的收入通过易达通获得,但随着NQ业务的多元化,这一比例将会逐步降低。

可以肯定的是,易达通和NQ之间并不存在附属关系,双方互为合作伙伴之一。

2013-10-09 22:13

Good point

好久不见

2013-10-09 01:18

从注册到现在,只关注nq,所有的帖子都是空或者黑nq,专业户,你是什么目的呢?只能说你是一个$SB,但愿你背后的老板不是叫360的,而是叫$250的

2013-10-09 01:17

谁的报告?

2013-10-09 01:04

好长,主要说的什么?关于。。收购?